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Dear Pandreco, I stumbled across this today. Absolutely fantastic! I can appreciate the sheer effort that would have gone into this three-part series. The finished product is a must ready for those seeking to understand the world we inhabit and should be induction material for all politicians and their advisors.

I feel we have been following very similar trains of thought. Largely provoked I suspect by reading and synthesizing many of the same authors. I must be about halfway through Dr Tim Morgan’s book life after growth currently.

You may also find the work of Tim Garrett an atmospheric physicist from Utah State University interesting. I was startled by the implications of his work using the thermodynamic model of a snowflake to model the global economy and net primary energy requirements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN0fal80K1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01Q3ZR-Mzs

He has collaborated with Steve Keen on much of the subsequent work that has come out of this. I agree with you that despite Steve’s climate fixation his work is very insightful.

This link may also be useful.

https://www.rebuildingmacroeconomics.ac.uk/post/labour-without-energy-is-a-corpse-capital-without-energy-is-a-sculpture

Thanks again I really appreciate this series!

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Deep thoughts -- and the synopsis of creation of energy and its relation to creation of well-being in societies.

Well-done.

But, of course, if we just keep subsidizing everything, it will eventually all get better -- no?

And what is subsidization but an artificial construct of what society owes itself anyway? We shouldn't worry about it if the overall circular output is better, no?

(I can't quickly think of a third canard, sorry).

But real question: how serious could this ever-delayed energy transition be if every emerging city in the world (along with Cancun and Tulum) are building Taj Mahal-style airports to serve the emerging wealthy class of the 7 Billion person emerging economies? While they 'emerge', is the developed, democratic world's role to be submerging our economies?

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